Discussion between Amun Em Hatap and Zee Anu Ubuntu Malachi

 

The conversation started based on my reply to the following post which took place on Telegram:

When You Make Everyday The Same, Same routine, you elevate the need of making decisions that weakens your will and to reason.

When You give yourself choices is when you are present in Now!

Many people are stuck under The Spell Possessed by Walk-ins and Disagreeable Spirits their lives are on a LOOP, caught in a spin cycle until they spin all the way out.

Sad part is many of THEM dont know they need help to break the Spell and remove their disagreeable demonic spirit that has Hijacked their true lives and dynasty.

unfortunately Pain is one thing that wakes them up for a brief moment to seek the help they need... Wu-Sabat they find and can still fall back under.

Help Save souls by first saving your soul by way of Soul Soul Yaanuwn Baaah Baaah The Master Teacher, Tie In before its To Late!

My reply to this post was as follows:

Sound like someone saying turn your life to Jesus, give your life to God, save your soul by way of the lord Jesus before it’s too late.

What kind of pain will wake people up from the spell? Give an example of how whatever this type of pain is, enters a person’s life. And if even temporarily, how does Wu-Sabat dissolve this pain?

When you give yourself choices about what, regarding what? What are some examples of everyday same routines that you had in mind for the presentation here?

Write a blog about specifics and step-by-steps if you have an urgency to encourage folk about ways to break the spell if your aim is to be helpful and clear. And share that blog link here.

Share what it is that you do to keep from making everyday the same. What other things can people (or you) do to be in the now?

How does any of this have anything to do with saving a so called soul? And that which is referred to as a soul, is what according to what and why must an alignment with such reference or definition be established in the people’s hearts and minds about it? Why is it important in other words? Does one first not have to “BELIEVE” they have a soul? And then to save the soul; after looking into it the best way possible without the narratives shared by cultures around the world - in order to clearly determine what it is; what as the construct that it is, does it need in order to be preserved while in the skin suit?

Was the soul designed specifically for the skin suit? Is it a seed while the body is the soil? Is the soul determined by DNA? Is it the sperm of a light body consciousness?

The reality of a subconscious suggests that you are supposed to be sleep about certain things. What type of things should we desire to be awake about?

Mario came back with this reply:

Raahub-aat, Muzmal You stated and I quote:

[Sound like someone saying turn your life to Jesus, give your life to God, save your soul by way of the lord Jesus before it’s too late.]

And What is Your point of this point of what this sounds like?

Are you saying because that sounded like something you related to a religion that there maybe an error with post?

Or were you just sharing with us your personal opinion to what you read and how what you read reminded you of something you likened to before?

By you not fully expressing or elaborating on what your comment about my post sounding like turning your life over to Jesus or give your life to God, means what to you because one thing sounds like another?

People do need to turn their life over to Paa Paiut, "The All" (god) to be one with The All (god) For no one gets To The All as All except by say of Wu-Sabat (jesus) delivered to us by The Master Teacher Baaah Baaah Yaanuwn The black Messiah they world has been waiting for.

[What kind of pain will wake people up from the spell? Give an example of how whatever this type of pain is, enters a person’s life. And if even temporarily, how does Wu-Sabat dissolve this pain?]

The type of pain that reality produces regardless of one's belief. Pain to each person depends on the person and their threshold from what is a comfort state to a discomfortable state referred to them as painful.

Example: The unexpected death of a close love one, maybe a parent or a child a mate or a friend etc. can cause a level of pain in someone who now seeks the whys, Why my child have to die or why my mate have to have such a terrible event happen to them and that person feeling the emotional and mental pain seeks answers to death and life, by wanting to know what is on the other side of life, is there really a heaven or hell, what happens to us in death...etc.?

And before the tragedy the person in the above example didn't seek to know about death yet now after feeling such pain they want answers and willing to seek them diligently until they're satisfied with their findings.

That person in seeking answers because of pain leads THEM to Wu-Sabat and a Sabaean suggests to them to read "Master's Secret No. 10 & No. 19, "The Cycle of Life and Death", "The Spiritual You After The Physical You Dies".

And they gain an Overstanding to death and their pain is removed, Wu-Sabat dissolved their pain and ignorance with actual facts by the sound right reasoning from The Master Teacher Mundjar Yaanuwn has answered their pray, And if being a sincere seeker of Outformation their saving soul has begun to grow by way of Wu-Sabat, Wu-Nawap, NUPU!

[When you give yourself choices about what, regarding what? What are some examples of everyday same routines that you had in mind for the presentation here?]

I didn't have anything in mind until you ask me the question.

When you give yourself different perspectives to consider like instead of driving to work the exact same path everyday time, take a different paths every day to and from work thats now multi changes a week that takes the mind out of a habitual behavior and brings the being into Now Mind.

One or two changes in your daily routine will make a difference, and keep you in Now Mind, which is what you choose to do vs. what you do routinely or habitually.

Some peepool wake up at the same set time by an alarm clock, change the time to wake up every day at a different time from minute difference to 10-20 minute difference... You Decide!

When awoken by the alarm some of us go straight to use the bathroom, to shower brush teeth, etc. then to eat get dress off to work or child for school, etc .

We follow time moving on a circular clock  or repeat  on a screen.

Like time, Repeating behaviors become habitual and over time habits become one's nature.

if one practices Sound Right Reasoning repeatedly their reasoning sound and right will become habitual keeping them in Now Mind, 9Mind.

A total conscious person present with a working to reason state of mind, not hypnotized to be a mindless slave, to know and be aware in what is happening around them whats happening to them and what deeds and actions come from them, their actions are Now not habitual but willfully decided sound reasoning conscious acts.

[Write a blog about specifics and step-by-steps if you have an urgency to encourage folk about ways to break the spell if your aim is to be helpful and clear. And share that blog link here.]

I appreciate the suggestion yet I personally don't write blogs, I seek to encourage those here on telegram for now by talk and type.

And the step by step specifics to breaking the spell of sleep, spiritual blindness and ignorance has already been written and done by The Master Paa Munbab Yaanuwn, The Saviour The Warner The Reformer in these last days and times. Read books authored by H.E Dr Malachi Kobina York.

[Share what it is that you do to keep from making everyday the same. What other things can people (or you) do to be in the now?]

I've given examples of that above yet to add.....

Reading is another example to keep your mind in practicing Nowism. Reading is an exercise of keeping one's consciousness in Now, because reading takes concentration, reading is a Now Mind practice.

Some people read and fall into spell, or their consciousness drifts into thinking about what they just read... and lose track of their awareness at times will kept reading words but you have no real understanding to what was read because you were sleep reading.

The spell of sleep is a spell that can have one sleep listening, sleep talking sleep working sleep driving sleep reading, and sleep thinking.

Sleep in this sense means your conscious mind is at a low, a rest and not totally online not fully functioning at 99.9% anything less then total is a form of sleep, out of one's consciousness is unconscious.

Same as "Can God be Less Then God and Still Be God"? A question the Master Teacher Yaanuwn asked....

Like physical sleep one's consciousness begins to lower, drifting from consciousness to unconscious into a full sleep.

The spell of Sleep can have one in a continuous mental state of mental tiredness drowsiness sleepy not fully paying attention, here but not here, hearing but not listening, acting before thinking.

When one reads The Doctrine of WU-SABAT the golden divine words by Baaah Baaah Yaanuwn their will and awareness can awaken from the sleeping mind, to being fully alert yet not the dead
mind, for the dead minds are dead cannot be resurrected, the dead are amongst the living for the dead minds are the pretenders of Wu-Sabat.

And yes death and sleep look very much alike the difference is sleep can be made awoke thus those people can change. The dead is dead and dead cannot truly change.

[How does any of this have anything to do with saving a so called soul?]

How does "any of what(?)" have anything to do with saving a so called soul?

How does being in Now Mind have anything to do with soul saving is that what you were referring to?

Of Not....Can you ask that question again with clarity to what it is that you want to know?

If so, one has to aware of such a thing to know about it.

If one doesn't know how to swim and they drop themselves off into a swimming pool away from the sides of the pool, with no breathing or floating apparatus and the pool's water is twice as deep then their own hight will drown if not saved.

Same with ones life, if one doesn't know what not to eat they can eat something that can kill them instantly or over a long time period.

Knowing can make one do or not do a thing that can be beneficial to them.

[And that which is referred to as a soul, is what according to what and why must an alignment with such reference or definition be established in the people’s hearts and minds about it? Why is it important in other words?]

A soul according to The Master Teacher is, The decision Maker, The Breath of the Living Being, The Creative Expression of Emotional Being.

And here is where I addressed the rest of his statements.

I see that you posted a long response before I had the chance to reply to your previous question. Instead of chasing every new point, I’m going to stay focused on the original issues I raised.  

You asked and I quote:

[And What is Your point of this point of what this sounds like? . . . . .]

You asked what my point was when I said your post sounded like someone telling people to turn their life over to Jesus. The point is simple: the structure of what you said is identical to religious rhetoric, even if the names are different.

You said people must save their soul by tying into the Master Teacher before it’s too late. Now in your reply you go even further and say people need to turn their life over to Paa Paiut and that no one reaches The All except through Wu-Sabat delivered by the Master Teacher.

So let’s stop pretending this is something fundamentally different from religion. The formula is exactly the same:

Human beings are under a spiritual problem → pain wakes them up → salvation comes through a specific figure → knowledge comes through the teacher.

Changing the names from “Jesus” to “Wu-Sabat” and from “God” to “Paa Paiut” does not magically change the structure of the message. It is still the same salvation narrative, just with different terminology.

Now if you want to argue that there is a meaningful difference, then explain the difference clearly. What specifically makes this something other than the religious structure it mirrors?

Because simply asserting that people must turn their life over to The All through Wu-Sabat delivered by the Master Teacher is not reasoning. That is a declaration of belief.

And if we are going to claim that we deal with sound right reasoning and actual facts, then those claims should be able to withstand questioning instead of being treated as untouchable statements.

So again, the point of my comment was not random opinion. It was pointing out that the language you used follows the same salvation framework that religions use. If you believe there is a meaningful distinction, then the reasoning behind that distinction should be explained rather than assumed.

HOW WE IDENTIFY WITH OURSELVES

It appears to me that we have aimed to restore historical dignity for ourselves because we feel disconnected from our ancestry. Do we refer to ourselves as Christians, Muslims or practitioners of Animism? As a reformer, the master teacher came to set the record straight, dealing with religious movements and how innovation disconnected everyone, so that he could deliver what he has to offer - information that was initially rejected because the mentality of his people spent their attention on religious ways and references.

ADDRESSING YOUR PAIN CONCEPT FOR AWAKENING INTO THE "NOW" VIA WU-SABAT AND BREAKING THE SPELL

It appears to me that you are implying pain as the primary trigger that leads them toward breaking the spell, even though you stated, "Pain is one thing . . . . ." Was Pain your pathway Amun Em Hatap?

The next step in your explanation is a BELIEF step and not a Sound, Right, Reasoning step. You assume that the pain will cause the seeker to arrive at Wu-Sabat.  That is not logically necessary. You jump from pain to Wu-Sabat without demonstrating why.

I asked you what you meant by changing routines and you said, QUOTE:  “I didn't have anything in mind until you asked.” This shows how you just made a broad statement first and then constructed reasoning afterward. This means the original statement was not grounded in a specific concept when written.  

Changing a driving route and doing one or two things similar to this, does not necessarily change consciousness or awareness. I have expressed before in this group that breaking the spell is about abandoning the use of dominant narratives that do not serve us well. It is clear to me that it would be better to focus on intentional awareness, not random routine changes.  

The way I would say what you are trying to say is,
"Habitual behavior can cause people to operate on mental autopilot.
Introducing small deliberate changes in daily behavior such as practicing awareness during routine actions, reflecting on decisions, or interrupting unconscious habits, is what will help increase conscious presence.

But the route-to-work example is weak and superficial.

You presented work schedules, sleep schedules, awakening by alarm, going straight to the bathroom to shower (or showering prior to sleep) and brush their teeth, eating, getting dressed and off to take the child or children to school and then go to work - as if it is not something that is NECESSARY as a repeated structure in the lives of billions of people. Routines are necessary repeated structures of life. A "Habit" is unconscious behaviors inside those routines. This is how we end up reacting emotionally, thinking automatically and avoiding reflection (sense some of us want to talk about being self aware).  Meaningful change usually comes from altering habits, not routines.  

Not only is the tone intentional as a test, I wrote lengthy as a test as well, to see who can stay focused. I notice when replies get too long, people often ignore the logic and respond emotionally. I have also heard Amun En Hatap say on an audio call that one of my replies was so long that he didn't even care to read it.

Meanwhile, here are the issues I have with your delivery:
1. Referring to the writings of the Master Teacher does not answer my questions. If the reasoning is sound, it should be possible to explain the idea directly rather than redirecting the explanation to authority.

2. Your approach about the TOTAL CONSCIOUS PERSON is dreamy and childish. LOL, Humans just don't operate that way. A large portion of our behavior is handled by automatic processes, habit loops, subconscious pattern recognition and background cognition.
These systems are not flaws. They are necessary for survival. If humans had to consciously reason through every action; walking, speaking, driving, brushing teeth, then we would be mentally exhausted within minutes. If the standard for awakening is total awareness at all times, then no one qualifies and everyone becomes “asleep” by definition. It creates an impossible benchmark. It keeps followers perpetually striving for an undefined ideal. 

3. Let's not forget about the subconscious. The subconscious allows rapid decision-making, learned skills, pattern recognition, emotional processing, such as driving a familiar route, typing, recognizing a face instantly and walking without thinking about every muscle movement. These processes are not hypnosis. They are neurological efficiency. Calling them “mindless slavery” misunderstands how cognition works.

4. You're still talking as if habits can't support awareness. Habits free the mind to focus on higher-level awareness. I'm sure you will agree that the goal is not to just eliminate habits, but to cultivate good habits. A good musician practices until their talent becomes automatic. A martial artist trains movements until they are reflexive. In time an experienced  driver learns defensive driving habits that become instinctive. These habits make room for the person to be able to do more. And I would point out that habits and consciousness interact. 

5. You claimed that a conscious person’s actions are not habitual. Sounds like a contradiction to me. If someone practices sound reasoning repeatedly, that reasoning becomes habitual. So the very state you are describing would eventually produce habits. In other words, habit and awareness are not necessarily opposites.

Again, humans constantly perform actions without active conscious reasoning. Reading, driving, walking, typing, and speaking all can run partially on automatic processes. So the idea of permanent total awareness becomes unrealistic

6. The way you frame folks as being capable of being hypnotized slaves as if being totally aware removes this situation, is interesting to me.  Being aware of social systems or power structures does not automatically free someone from them. You can have all the Internal Awareness you're capable of having which includes a person understanding their circumstances, but the external power structures that manage the conditions imposed by society does not dissolve external constraints.

7. You stated that reading keeps consciousness in "Now Mind" because it requires concentration. But immediately afterward you explained that people can read while their awareness drifts away and they no longer understand what they are reading. If reading itself produces awareness, how can the same activity simultaneously produce the opposite condition? 

Let me say it in a different way, if reading keeps the mind in "Now Mind" because it requires concentration, but people can continue reading while their awareness drifts away and they no longer understand what they are reading and reading can continue after concentration and awareness have already drifted, then reading itself cannot be the mechanism that produces awareness.

Awareness depends on attention, not reading itself. It seems that what you are describing is not a mystical spell but simply loss of attention while reading.

8. And why do I say, "Mystical Spell?" Because the framework of your explanations depend on symbolic language rather than precise definitions. Words like “sleep,” “spell,” “Now Mind,” and “dead mind” are used poetically, but they are not defined clearly enough to support logical analysis. I'm not getting precise reasoning from you.

Plus, based on what you wrote, if I asked you "Can reading produce awareness?" You would say, "Reading produces awareness unless the person is asleep; which means they were not aware; which means they were not practicing Now Mind. Are you trying to say "awareness proves awareness" and "lack of awareness proves sleep?" I can tell you right now that this type of explanation never identifies what actually produces awareness.

If reading itself is a Now Mind practice because it requires concentration, how can someone continue reading when concentration and awareness have already drifted away?  

Is it not clear that when you claim the doctrine has special properties, it turns your presentation into religious belief rather than reasoning.

And you have already said things like, "If you are not at 99.9% consciousness, you are “asleep.” Where is the explanation for this? This makes it easy for people to ask questions like, "How consciousness is measured?," "What unit is being measured?," "Who established that threshold?," "How would anyone detect it?"

Without a method of measurement, the number is just invented precision.

I think this is called, "false precision." This when people use a specific number to make a statement appear authoritative. There is no accepted model where consciousness operates as a percentage scale like a battery meter.

9. Here is what you are saying:
1. If you agree with the doctrine, you are awake.
2. If you disagree, you are asleep.
3. If you strongly disagree, you are a dead mind.

You asked several times for me to restate my questions more clearly. I will honor that request and present them again in a direct and structured way so there is no confusion about what is being asked.

However, before restating them, I want to point out that the core issue in this discussion is not that my questions were unclear. The issue is that many of the responses given did not actually address the questions themselves and instead moved into analogies, authority references, or entirely different topics.

For example, when I asked how the ideas you presented about “Now Mind,” breaking the spell, and changing routines connect to saving a soul, the response did not explain that connection. Instead, the answer shifted to an analogy about someone drowning in a swimming pool if they do not know how to swim. That analogy simply illustrates that knowledge can prevent harm. It does not explain how the practices you described relate to saving a soul.

So to remove any possible misunderstanding, I will restate the questions one by one.

First question: What specifically connects the concept of “Now Mind” to the act of saving a soul? In other words, what is the mechanism that links those two ideas? If being present or aware is supposed to preserve or save the soul, then the reasoning behind that connection should be explained clearly.

Second question: When you define the soul as “the decision maker, the breath of the living being, and the creative expression of emotional being,” how is that definition established as fact rather than simply a definition given by the Master Teacher? If we say we operate on Sound Right Reasoning and facts, then the reasoning that establishes that definition should be shown.

Third question: Does a person first have to believe that they possess a soul before the concept of saving it becomes meaningful? Hearing and seeing are sensory experiences that can be directly verified. A soul, however, is not something that can be observed through the senses. So what is the method by which someone knows a soul exists without relying on belief or authority?

Fourth question: You stated that the soul existed before the physical body and continues after the body dies. What reasoning or evidence establishes that statement as knowledge rather than doctrine?

Fifth question: You mentioned that the original Negroid body once had the ability to regrow limbs before DNA mixing altered the body’s functions. That is an extraordinary biological claim. If it is presented as fact, then what reasoning or evidence supports it?

Sixth question: You also stated that physical sperm possesses consciousness and thinks. Since sperm cells do not have brains or nervous systems, what reasoning or evidence supports the idea that they think?

These are not rhetorical questions. They are attempts to understand how the ideas being presented move from statements into demonstrated knowledge.

If the framework we are discussing is based on Sound Right Reasoning and facts rather than belief, then it should be possible to explain these points without relying solely on the authority of the Master Teacher or references to his books.

So I have restated the questions as requested. If there are specific parts that still appear unclear, identify them and I will clarify them further. But simply saying the questions are vague while not addressing the substance of the questions does not move the discussion forward.

My interest here is not argument for the sake of argument. My interest is clarity. If the ideas being presented are grounded in sound reasoning, then they should be able to withstand examination.